Is Israel commiting genocide in Gaza?
Yes.
After more than 35,000 Palestinians massacred in broad day light, an intentional act of starvation by Israel and Israeli leaders in position of power showing intent to do so by claiming that they want to wipe off Gaza, I don't think any further proof is needed.
Above all, we have reputable sources such as UN-HRC, real world holocaust scholars (not the history bro here in one of the answers who often cosplays as a scholar) showing how Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
It is amusing to see answer by Alex Mann here denying genocide in Gaza, I gotta say he has learnt a lot from Holocaust-deniers how to downplay and deny a genocide. not only he is a genocide denier on Palestinians, but a pro-Israel ideologue and a Pro-Israel-propagandist (and very bad at it).
Before writing his answer he could have done himself a favor and could have read answers by professional pro-Israel propagandists here, on how to keep coherency in making pro-Israel talking points, but he dint, this is what blind love for ethnosupremacist states does to your brain, it makes you look like a babbling kid who although cannot frame his words, but he is so zealous on defending his dad that he cannot help himself but to babble out lame excuses in defense of his dad, though rest of the people laughs at his childish tantrums.
Piece of racistfilth has become the very thing he claimed to refute all these years,.
There is no end of racist filth answers by pro-Israelis here, but it worth debunking his pro Israeli d-grade apologetica
Lets go over it.
his arguments will be in Quoted italics following by their debunking
Intent: Civilians die in war and that is unavoidable. There is a difference between civilian deaths in a conflict and genocide and that difference boils down to the intent of the attacker.
- Civilians dying in conflict or war zones is not mutually exclusive to genocide.
Mann calls himself as “scholar” he does not even know that civilians dying in a conflict is not mutually exclusive to them being killed in context of genocide, neither does civilian deaths in a conflict denies a genocidal intent of perpetrators.
He really thinks that a non-sequitr like “Son civilians die in urban war” is gotcha to deny genocide, while back in another answer, he was exactly using this gotcha to deny ethnic cleansing claim
There are genocides which were ruled as such where civilians were killed in context of war and/or conflict, Bosnian genocide and Rwanda genocide being prominent examples.
Above all we know that Israeli leaders in position of power showed intent to genocide Palestinians, because “drum roll” they have been screaming that for past five months.
Few extracts here,
Read whole list here.
Destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group: There has to be a specific targeted group.
- Palestinians constitute a distinct protected group
as if Palestinians are not a specific protected group ? this bullshitter should come out in open and say he does not considers Palestinians as worthy of human, instead of babbling around this d-grade apologetica.
ICJ quite clearly stated, in ruling of provisional measures that Palestinians are a protected group under genocide convention.
Now a vile racist filth like Man, masquerading as a “scholar” could have done his homework and read ICJ ruling but he dint, because like rest of genocide deniers, he is pain-strikingly stupid, ignorant and displays an abysmal amount of arrogance on matters he knows nothing about (“dunning krugger effect”).
- Starting a war is not mutually exclusive to genocide.
Not only it is absurd to comical to portray the very people (Palestinians) who are subjected to illegal Israeli occupation and apartheid, as aggressors who are always on to attacking innocent little Israel, but it a childish ignorant rant to deny genocide using that claim.
Like every fan boy of Israel, whatabouts on Hamas Oct 7, and goes ahead to say “Palestinians have been attacking Israel ever since they were founded as a nation” well why this piece ofFilth ignores that Israel has been illegally occupying them ever since and imposing apartheid, ?
Does this ignorant piece of work not know that, Ashkenazi Jews, and their ideology of Zionism is well classified as a non-indigenous settler colonial movement was imposed on Palestinians ?
Ofc he does, he is so blatantly biased and racist that he simply ignores and twists entirety of history to paint Israel as victim.
Human rights watch in 2021, Amnesty an year later called Israel as an apartheid state, UN-human rights council much recently called Israeli occupation on Palestinian territories as illegal.
Man during that time maintained “strategic silence” because it would not have supported the narrative for painting Israel as innocent victim of “ayrab barbarism” and proceeds to paint Palestinians in gaza- people living under apartheid and illegal occupation as aggressors.
(for comparison see his psychotic-responses on Russia-Ukraine conflict, if anyone during that timed dare to make a case for Russia, why? because unlike Palestinians, he considers Ukrainians, as proper humans).
Slaves are lucky that they got independence before mann was born, otherwise, he would have justified keeping them as slaves, because dare they killed white civilians in their rebellions, obviously would not have condemned slavery as original sin, but slaves resisting that. Just like how he ignores Israeli apartheid and illegal occupations and whines on “bUT da Balestinians are attacking Israel”
Parallels, between these pro-Israelis, and genocidal apologists before them are astounding, a common pattern between all of them across the board, is that, they somehow think that “if they show that an armed group of an ethnic group killed civilians of opposing state, it some how green-lights the offensive on entirety of those people as legitimate “defensive act”.
Two striking parallels you would see with defendants of both Rwanda genocide and Bosnian genocide.
Had Man read tribunals and he would have realized that this absurd childish argument that since opposing group killed civilians, hence “no genocide” as “We acting in self defense” was thrown away by both of those tribunals, even though armed groups of both Bosnian Muslims and Tutsi people did infact killed civilians.
But he dint , he is a blind ideologue, hardly a scholar, you know he is not a scholar because he does not know how to systematically analyze evidence from credible sources to reach a conclusion, on topics he has little to no knowledge on.
He spews classic pro-israeli talking points with zilch citations of his claims (going only as far as “trust me bro it is not a genocide”) , and puts his faith in his upvoting audience, that they will save the day in comments.
Israel is being painted increasingly as the aggressor but this is false. When Allied troops invaded Nazi Germany in WW2 they were not the aggressors despite being on the attack.
- False equivalency between Allies in ww2 and Israel.
Israel is not called aggressor because of its attack, but because for one it is illegally occupying Palestinian territories for decades. and later went berserk on Gaza, and actions mounting to collective punishment.
Piece offilth not know that allies were not occupying Germany before WW2 ? ofc he does, he purposely ignores the illegal nature of Israeli occupation, and inherent right of people under occupation resisting that, because he cannot help himself he is a pro-Israel fanboy.
Seriously, he, could have simply googled it to find report of UN commission of inquiry.
here is how you do that.
Nazi Germany had started the war and the Allies were just attempting to win the war Germany started.
yes, Israel started war by being aggressor on Palestinians by virtue of its decades long illegal occupation and apartheid.
. They store weapons at churches, hospitals, and schools and they use civilians as human shields.
- No evidence of Human shields from credible sources.
Pulls up another cringe Pro-Israeli argument from his as, notice he does not cite any credible sources, not UN not any respected human rights organization, because he cant, there is zilch evidence of hamas using human shields. not in this war, not decades before.
In order to teach this history bro, how to dig up credible sources like a proper scholar (can’t blame him seeing from his lack of citations to support his claims, and his sloppy way of approaching this topic, i can assure you, he has hardly ever peer-reviewed or written a scholarly paper).
here is how you do it, first you open google, then you type a credible source (in this case Amnesty international) to see what they say on that.
Notice following conclusions made by Amnesty international, when these Pro-Israelfilth exactly argued this “human shield bs in 2014”. Their cringe talking points never change.
Amnesty made three important points.
- No evidence of intentional shielding by Hamas (note in international laws Human shields have to be an intentional act).
- Even if Hamas was using human shields, it wont green light Israeli berserk response, humanitarian protections will still apply on Palestinians.
- Yes, there were instances where Palestinian armed group stored weapons in residential areas or fought from there, though this does not constitute human sheilds.
Ukrainians quite similarly to Hamas, fought from civilian areas, Amnesty international pointed that out in following report.
Now will Mann, argue exactly like this and blame Ukrainians for their own deaths because armed groups of Ukrainians fought from civilian areas ?, ofc not, if you were to make that argument, Man will give a psychotic-response and call you out for “blaming the victims”, that obviously will not apply to Palestinians, because Israel is the beacon of western civilization that also helps in “coming back of messiah and settling scores with those ayyrabs”.
Israel’s stated goal (through actions and words) is to annihilate Hamas. To kill or capture all 40,000 militants, to destroy Hamas leadership, and to destroy Hamas’s administrative and military infrastructure.
and Russia claimed to eliminate Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Point remains, pro-Israel history bro takes the word of illegal occupier, he should go ahead and take word of Russia as well on Russian invasion of Ukraine.
(Also in Israeli terms Hamas is euphemism for all in Gaza, including civilians).
Hamas frequently demands that civilians ignore Israeli warnings and stay in place. This is done to maximize civilian losses and restrict Israeli action.
and it makes no difference on Israeli berserk indiscriminate bombing runs, that dont distinguish between whether there is some civilian there or not.
Israeli bombings on Gaza are clearly labelled as indiscriminate, by credible sources.
The most common image I see is the one below. The problem is that we don’t know what percentage of the deaths are Hamas militants and what percentages are civilians. Hamas had some 40,000+ soldiers keep in mind.
- Accuracy of casualty data.
He could just have google that from a UN report, but you cannot expect much from a blind ideologue.
Per UN estimates death toll is around 35k, with around 52 percent being Women and Children, (note figure was revised from 69 percent because individuals with incomplete information were not included in the demographic breakdown), unless pathetic vile pieces of FiIth-Pro-Israelis like Man, considers them as “Hamas”.
Note he goes a step ahead and even tries to paint entirety of 40k as Hamas. Pro-Israel filth like Man, show us we are dealing with worse mann-kind can offer.
Imagine mental status of this person, he is arguing in favor of a state, that is on a killing spree of an ethnic group, it has been occupying for decades, not only this those massacres are being live streamed.
the source is the Palestinian Ministry of Health which is not a neutral observer. They could be correct but I would need more sources to buy in completely.
apart from pro-Israelis fanboy-FiIth every credible source, from UN to human rights watch considers that as reliable.
Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties: Israel has made millions of calls to Palestinians telling them to evacuate and designating safe zones.
yes, and later bombed exactly those safe zones.
Not intent of genocide:
except that Israelis themselves disagree, in around 500+ instances, involving key decision makers and politicians.
and except that, report by United nations special rapporteur for occupied Palestinian territories (titled anatomy of genocide) labelled those rhetoric as intent to commit genocide.
The big thing for me is the lack of declared intent. Israel has not declared that their purpose is to eradicate or eliminate the Palestinian population. No documents, orders, or even actions seem to indicate an overt attempt at genocide.
because Israel knows Propagandists like Mann love to use that talking point, Propagandists like man love to twist conflicts involving their beloved ethnosupremacist states, for political purposes.
Does this history bro not know that no state. specially Israel (who leaches on western Pro-Israeli useful ldiots like him) is not stupid enough to make a document explicitly stating that they want to wipe of Palestinians ?, so that if they ever to undergo trial it nukes them in head ?
ofc not. they need to leave wiggle room for propagandists like Man, who can give a humanitarian camouflage for genocidal actions of such states.
Here I will leave this video of UN special rapporteur on occupied Palestinian territories which refuted this deranged argument
and shut. A national leader or General would have to be insane to openly admit that their ultimate goal is genocide. Sometimes we must infer intent through the course of actions. Israeli actions could be seen as genocide given the widespread nature of the destruction.
oh well except that Israeli leaders have exactly been that insane and stupid, thus making pro Israeli apologetica harder for you.
Above statements by Israeli leaders were seen as intent to commit genocide by UN special rapporteur report and with others.
shows you vile blind nature of these deranged ideologues, he simply ignores decades long illegal and occupation and apartheid.
Don’t these deragned-psychopaths, who represent most toxic vile-filth of humanity not know that an illegal occupier cannot claim a right of self defense ?
Imagine the deranged nature of this psychopath, he simply shrugs off decades long apartheid and illegal occupation and says “oh look Palestinians have been attacking Israel for decades”
How this vile argument even if true denies genocide ?
So far i am rolling eyes over his answer, and up until now apart from a cheesy attempt at a classic denial response on Israeli intent (ignoring how Israeli leaders have clearly stated their intent) to commit genocide, he dint refuted acts that come under genocide, though Israel has been so far clearly shown to commit following, along with intent to destroy Palestinians.
- Killing members of the group
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
I had provided detail of all these in my answer here. Not mentioning here, since Answer is already long enough to give you an eye strain.
He then cites Hamas from charter from 1988 and tries to paint it as genocidal intent on Jews.
Vile nature of this Pro-Israeli, judging from the lenghts he goes through to deflect and downplay genocide committed by Israel, is beyond belief.
According to him Hamas charter from 1988, is an intent to commit genocide on Jews (though Israeli Jews are imposing illegal occupation on Palestinians and apartheid ever since) yet ignores or shrugs off, if some Israeli leader like Prime minister of Israel, compares Gaza Palestinians to amalek.
and defense minister calls them human animals.
- References of credible sources that regard Israel as committing genocide.
to sum up in very simple terms, why Israel is committing genocide in Gaza ?, because credible sources so far say so, ranging from;
Reports of UN human rights expert, .
to actual real world holocaust scholars.
Genocide institute, Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention
List of scholarly publications classifying Israel’s actions in Gaza as genocide.
- Gazification and Genocide by Attrition in Artsakh/Nagorno Karabakh and the Occupied Palestinian Territories
- We are Fighting Nazis”: Genocidal Fashionings of Gaza(ns) After 7 October
- Gaza 2023: Words Matter, Lives Matter More
- Screaming, Silence, and Mass Violence in Israel/Palestine
- Genocidal Mirroring in Israel/Palestine
- A Threshold Crossed: On Genocidal Intent and the Duty to Prevent Genocide in Palestine
- Genocide and Resistance in Palestine under Law's Shadow
Latest estimates on death toll in Gaza as of July 2024.
Per a recent article published in Leading Academic journal Lancet, estimates death toll is more than 180,000.
In case any proIsrael troll, tries to pull up another gotcha, by saying “oh its logical fallacy, argument from authority” I advise him to read properly what constitutes a fallacy, argument from authority is per-se not a logical fallacy when you cite credible sources, but becomes one when you cite non-credible Quora’s pro israel fanboys wannabe “scholars” like Man.
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